Euthyphro Rocksteady

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About this songSocrates' old dilemma gets a third answer: goodness isn't above God or invented by God — it is His very nature, and it has a name.
Big ideaThe Euthyphro dilemma is a false choice: goodness is neither a law above God nor an arbitrary divine whim — it is God’s own eternal nature. He doesn’t obey the good or invent it; He is it.
Doctrine
Theology proper · Ethics
Anchor text
James 1:17 · Psalm 100:5
Form
Rocksteady
Voices
Socrates · Lewis · Van Til · Frame

Yo, step into the court, Socrates is on the scene.
Questioning Euthyphro, yeah, the air is getting lean.
Is it pious 'cause the gods love it, an arbitrary whim?
Or do they love it 'cause it's holy? Is the standard above them?
That's the Euthyphro Dilemma, two horns on the head.
Either God's a tyrant, or He's following a thread.
Horn A says it's good just 'cause He gave the decree.
Horn B says there's a law that even God's gotta see.

But it's a false dilemma, there's a third way to go.
Not a law above Him, not a whim from below.
The standard is His nature, eternal and true.
He's not obeying goodness He is goodness, through and
through.

Now Lewis enters in, he's wary of the “Fiend”.
Rejects that “total depravity” where reason is leaned.
He says if God commanded murder, would murder then be
right?
He sides with Socrates to keep the moral light bright.
But then comes Van Til, with a theological smack.
Says Lewis is too pagan, putting God in the back.
If the law is independent, then God's just a peer.
But Frame says goodness is personal, let's make that clear.

But it's a false dilemma, there's a third way to go.
Not a law above Him, not a whim from below.
The standard is His nature, eternal and true.
He's not obeying goodness He is goodness, through and
through.

Look at Mark and Jane, caught in That Hideous Strength.
Escaping from the Macrobes and their twisted length.
The bad guys hate the “Normal,” they want the “objective”
mind.
But Mark finds the “sweet and straight,” leaving “sour and
crooked” behind.
Jane sees the King, and her world gets unmade.
The Tao, the natural law, the price has been paid.
It's not just a rulebook or a cosmic decree.
It's the image of Maleldil that sets the soul free.

But it's a false dilemma, there's a third way to go.
Not a law above Him, not a whim from below.
The standard is His nature, eternal and true.
He's not obeying goodness He is goodness, through and
through.

They're tearing it down, calling God to the stand,
Pointing to the evil and the grief in the land.
If He's the summum bonum, why the shadows and the pain?
They deconstruct the King, saying faith is in vain.
But you can't call it “crooked” without a “straight” to
compare.
The Problem of Evil shows the standard is there.
AND THE STANDARD IS THE ONE WHO NUMBERS
YOUR HAIRS
Goodness isn't gone IT HAS A NAME

So forget the two options, the logic was flawed.
The moral law isn't something separate from God.
He doesn't obey it, and He doesn't just create it.
He instantiates the good, no need to debate it.
From the “Poison of Subjectivity” to the “Fisher King's”
light.
The God of the Scripture is the standard of right.
Goodness is God, and God is good, all the time.
That's the theological truth in this lyrical rhyme.

Scripture References

  1. 1.Psalm 119:68; Exodus 3:14
  2. 2.Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19
  3. 3.James 1:17
  4. 4.Romans 1:20; 2:14-15
  5. 5.Matthew 10:30; Luke 12:7
  6. 6.James 1:17; Malachi 3:6
  7. 7.Psalm 100:5; 34:8; Nahum 1:7

Study this song

Teaching aids drawn from the song — for personal study or group discussion.

How the song moves

1
The dilemma
Socrates corners Euthyphro: is it good because God loves it (a whim), or does God love it because it’s good (a law above Him)? Two horns (Exodus 3:14).
2
The third way
Goodness is His nature, eternal and true; He doesn’t obey goodness — He is goodness, through and through (James 1:17; Malachi 3:6).
3
The thinkers spar
Lewis fears a tyrant-God and sides with Socrates; Van Til says that makes God a mere peer to the law; Frame answers that goodness is personal (Romans 1:20).
4
Goodness has a name
The Problem of Evil assumes a “straight” by which to call things “crooked.” The standard is the One who numbers your hairs (Matthew 10:30; Psalm 34:8).

Key terms & allusions

  • Euthyphro Dilemma — From Plato’s Euthyphro: is the holy loved by the gods because it’s holy, or holy because they love it?
  • summum bonum — Latin for “the highest good”; the song asks why evil exists if God is the highest good.
  • That Hideous Strength · Maleldil · the Tao — From C.S. Lewis: his novel, his name for God/Christ, and his term (in The Abolition of Man) for the objective moral law.
  • Van Til & Frame — Cornelius Van Til and John Frame, Reformed theologians who ground goodness in God’s own character rather than a standard outside Him.
  • The Poison of Subjectivism — A C.S. Lewis essay arguing that morality is not merely subjective preference.

Study questions

  1. Why is “good because God commands it” just as troubling as “God commands it because it’s good”? What third option does the song offer?
  2. If goodness is God’s nature rather than a rule He follows, how does that change the way you trust His commands?
  3. The song says you can’t call anything “crooked” without a “straight” to compare it to. How does the existence of evil actually point toward a moral standard?